Jami-Lee Ross, MP for Botany, appears to be a somewhat odious character. Between his repeated betrayals of his wife, on the one hand, and his apparently quite-central role in National Party’s large-scale fundraising from PRC-affiliated sources (New Zealand citizens and not), there seems to be little that is at all appealing. And yet……for whatever reason (and since I’ve never heard an apology to the New Zealand public for his part in the process it is hard to believe it is totally public-spirited) he has been drip-feeding material to the media about the details of several such donations. The first involved non-English-speaking Auckland businessman and close affiliate of various CCP/PRC groups, Yikun Zhang. And this week we’ve had some details of the (previously disclosed) large donation from a New Zealand registered company owned and totally controlled by a PRC billionaire. And, amid these disclosures, he is now calling for law changes, to prevent some of the practices he was formerly so adept at, and apparently untroubled by. We should be thankful for small mercies, although it would be better if he – and all those involved – departed the political scene, and the swamp was drained.
On Twitter yesterday afternoon, Anne-Marie Brady drew her followers’ attention to the fact that Jami-Lee Ross was speaking on this issue in Parliament’s general debate – presumably one of his rare speaking opportunities, and no doubt the Herald story was timed with this slot in mind.
Two things were striking about this event. The first is that no other MP speaking after Ross even mentioned these issues. Sure, each MP has his or her own barrow to push, but it goes to the apparently general desire among our political parties to avoid confronting what has been, and no doubt is still, going on.
And the second – prompt for this post – was realising that despite the coverage given to the Todd McClay story on Monday, there seemed to be no media coverage at all, anywhere, to Ross’s speech. Perhaps I missed something, but I searched myself, and I checked the Politics Daily email listing compiled by Bryce Edwards, and couldn’t see a single mention. Sure, probably no one has much time for Ross personally, but the issues he is raising aren’t imaginary.
And so, since Hansard is in the public domain, here is Jami-Lee Ross’s speech.
JAMI-LEE ROSS (MP—Botany): A regulation we do need in this country is greater restrictions around foreign donations to political parties. Yesterday, we saw in the New Zealand Herald a very good example of how the current rules around donations do not work for our democracy. I don’t need to go into depth around that particular donation, but what it does highlight is how our current laws around donations are wrong. It’s true—I was one of the sources for that story. It’s true—I was able to outline for the journalists my phone records and email records and contacts around that particular donation, because at the time I was asked by someone who held ministerial office to collect the donation. I did so because I wasn’t “OIA-able”; the person that asked me to do so was subject to the Official Information Act (OIA).
The issue that that donation highlights is that our current laws do not adequately restrict the ability for foreigners to make donations to political parties. It is true that that donation in the Herald yesterday was lawful. It is true no laws were broken, but we’re in the business of making laws and fixing laws where they are wrong. It is wrong, in my view, for a foreigner who has interests in New Zealand, who wants to donate to a political party, to be able to utilise a New Zealand-based company. It is wrong for an individual who has no other links to New Zealand other than business through a company to be able to make a donation, and have influence by making that donation to a political party.
Our laws are wrong. In my view, if you are unable to influence an election by voting, you should be unable to influence an election or our democracy by making a donation. It’s a fairly simple concept, and it’s one that we should be looking at in this House. Correct, the donation was not unlawful; our law is wrong and needs to be changed.
When we talk about foreign interference, it’s very easy to look at donations, and look at the way in which we interact with people that have connections to foreign States, and just dismiss what might be going on. But when we look at it very clearly and carefully, when we try and understand the connections and the influences that people from offshore are trying to have on our democracy, it can be very chilling. Does anyone really believe that a Mongolian oligarch wants to, out of the goodness of his heart, make six-figure donations to a political party after meeting the person who has responsibility for the very policy that he’s interested in, when it comes to the exporting of livestock? I don’t think he did so out of the goodness of his heart. I don’t think any laws were broken, but I think we need to fix the system. We need to ensure our democracy is safe from foreign influences, and ensure that we tighten up the rules.
I’ve heard that there is a lot of support in the House for banning foreign donations. That’s great, but simply lowering the threshold from $1,500 down to zero will do nothing, because any foreigner, at any point in time that they wish, can set up a New Zealand company or use an existing one to make a large donation. We have politicians in this House, and those seeking election, that have a lot of connections to people that have offshore influences and offshore interests. We should ensure our democracy and our electoral laws are much tighter.
There is a foreign interference inquiry under way, through the Justice Committee. Unfortunately, that inquiry is going very slow. Unfortunately, the committee that is looking at that inquiry may report back too late for us to make changes to our electoral law. It’s important we move now and we move swiftly because election year is very close. That same committee is also looking at the Electoral Amendment Bill right now. Unfortunately, that Electoral Amendment Bill is too tight and does not allow the committee to consider foreign donations or consider donation laws at all. The very same people sitting on the inquiry are also considering that bill. It’s my view that the House should give that committee the power to look at donations; give those same people doing the inquiry around foreign interference and around elections the power to make recommendations around amendments to the Electoral Act, with regards to donations. We need to move on this. Election year is not far away. There is a very good example out there, and there will be many others, that foreigners—and we heard directly from the spy agencies yesterday at the select committee, in both an open session and then in much more detail in a secret session—about—
JAMI-LEE ROSS: —influences in our democracy, and we need to take them seriously.
I’m going to seek leave in a second to have a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) in my name—SOP 324—which does seek to make some changes referred to the Justice Committee.
I seek leave for Supplementary Order Paper 324 in my name to be referred to the Justice Committee, and for the committee to, in its consideration of the Electoral Amendment Bill, have the power to consider, and if it thinks fit, adopt the amendment set out on SOP 324 or any other amendments relating to electoral donations.
SPEAKER: Is there any objection to that process? There is objection.
I thought the central line was this one
In my view, if you are unable to influence an election by voting, you should be unable to influence an election or our democracy by making a donation. It’s a fairly simple concept, and it’s one that we should be looking at in this House. Correct, the donation was not unlawful; our law is wrong and needs to be changed.
It isn’t clear how anyone could reasonably take a different view but – based on their comments this week – Simon Bridges (now heading off to Beijing) and Todd McClay do.
But the other key aspect was the Supplementary Order Paper Ross intends to introduce at the Committee stage of the Electoral Amendment Bill currently before the House. The link is here. As I understand it, the proposed amendments would prohibit anonymous donations and would allow donations only from registered electors in New Zealand (thus prohibiting donations to political parties from companies, unions, or any individual not eligible to vote in New Zealand). All of those sorts of changes make a great deal of sense to me. I hope Ross is able either to bring these amendments to a vote – which would force individual MPs to make an on-the-record choice about what influences they regard as acceptable – or perhaps up the pressure on the government – which has done precisely nothing about these issues, and was never keen on an open inquiry by the Justice Committee on foreign interference (government departments would tell the Committee all they needed to know, or so the PM’s office told us) – to propose serious reforms of its own. As you’ll see in the record from Hansard there was objection – apparently from National – which blocked Ross’s SOP being referred to the Justice Committee.
Perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised, by I still am anyway, that none of this seems to have been covered by our media. But I imagine that the PRC embassy will have taken note, and the welcome accorded to Bridges and Brownlee in Beijing will be a little warmer for knowing they are not willing to be pro-active and initiate or champion steps to fix these gaping holes in our electoral law.
And we are left wondering whether Todd McClay’s defence of the PRC’s conduct of Xinjiang was because of the large donations from regime-affiliated sources (including the Inner Mongolian one he was directly involved with) or because he genuinely believed it. It isn’t clear which option would be worse. Either way, the whole business reflects very poorly on McClay, his leaders, and his party. (And not much better on Ross.)
25 thoughts on “Political donations, National, and Jami-Lee Ross”
They squirm and deflect because they all have their snouts firmly in Beijing’s slop-trough (and their two front trotters)…
The CPC doesn’t need to use hard power on us when our elected officials can be bought and sold for pennies.
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The idea that only those entitled to vote should be entitled to donate is sound. Unions cannot vote of course so I cannot see Labour supporting such an initiative. Mind you, National is no better in this regard.
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Of course, there are ways thru the union issue, which would be fair and reasonable: if indiv unionists opt in to part of their union fee being made as a donation to a political party (under that member’s indiv name) I would have no particular problem.
At what point should residents get a vote? It probably wouldn’t be an issue except we have high immigration + resident voting rights.
At the point they become citizens seems reasonable.
Not a big jump to the idea that only those 2ho pay tax should be entitled to vote. Worth a thought.
I am just not sure which is more disturbing, the degree of PRC influence over the press or politicians.
From earlier coverage I had assumed Ross was a not particularly talented, National party lickspittle however I am impressed by the contents of his speech you quoted… Not only this, perhaps his past behaviour has pricked his conscience and now he genuinely seeks to atone for it…. that would be one positive to come out of that scandal, although I don’t think he will be around after the next election.
The Nats and Labour are so far gone, yet so dominant in parliament, that we reach the point where the entire constitutional system must be wound up and totally renewed… Ross’ suggestion about donations would help, but this only treats a symptom of the wider sickness… I blame MMP in part for this – for all the talk of improving checks and balances by promoting coalitions, it removes one of the most important checks which is to make each MP totally liable to their electorate… the centralised party becomes much stronger and unaccountable… more like a professional sports team than an accountable player in a democracy..
Not an MMP fan at all, but I’m still not convinced things would have been much different on this front under FPP. (There are, for example, no constitutency Nat MPs willing to make a stand – not one)
But yes, the current big parties seem hopeless, and the dismaying thing is that there is no credible prospect of a major new political force on the horizon that might either sweep them away, or compel someone in either Nat or Lab to change tack and take a courageous and radically different stance.
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the second half of this is on Ross
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It is not about the system it is about the pay. When you bring in a minority party and you give the minority party members a seat at cabinet or even a seat outside cabinet with a cabinet pay the pay scale is around $320,000. An ordinary MP gets only $170,000. That is a massive drop in pay scale. The Prime Minister determines who gets to sit at the cabinet table which gives her enormous power to get highly overpaid people to tow the line.
Well, there goes the National Party. But Labour also prizes its “fraternal” relations with the CCP as Andrew Little announced on his visit to Beijing as leader of the Opposition. We need a complete cleansing of the stables.
I accept that Jami-Lee Ross has behaved badly in the past but, whatever his motives now, he’s our best chance of finding out how our politics work around foreign influence and donations. Who else can tell us what’s going on better than someone who has been at the heart of National Party deals done with CCP-aligned politicians?
I think he’s doing a wonderful job in that regard and deserves our gratitude. I wish he’d tell us a lot more… and maybe he will…
Largely agree, altho I’m not sure I would go as far as “wonderful job”. He still seems to be torn between some sense of wanting to do something more like the right thing and the fear of having the waka-jumping legislation used on him by the Nats.
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I think he is determined to stay in parliament and he will adopt whatever morals serve that goal. Seemingly adopt I should say.
“SPEAKER: Is there any objection to that process? There is objection.” Quelle surprise! Jami-Lee Ross should be New Zealander of the Year for his service to the nation in highlighting the rampant Chinese colonialism of No Zealand. The Chinese colonialism of No Zealand, reaching to the highest levels of “our” political, business and media “elite” is nothing less than a national crisis, that will likely see the end of No Zealand as a nation. The longer this treason continues, the greater the likelihood of civil conflict in the territory formerly known as new Zealand. This is ever more likely as the foreign resident voters and propertied class willfully ignore the crisis coming from below as society bifurcates into a full civil conflict scenario… sell your properties, donate your wealth to charity and go compete for a minimum or less-than-minimum wage job with the (increasingly imported) underclass while living in a mouldy un-insulated Third World rental or your car, or the street… feel the rage… it cometh
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I cant help feeling the NZ company angle is an intentional loophole. Tax has had specific rules for foreign controlled companies for the last 30 years. The overseas investment act also has such ‘look thru’ rules. So I can’t help feeling here it was not oversight.
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Yes, that seems to be a fairly widely-held view. Of course, the Ministry of Justice may not have given much thought to IRD/Treasury frameworks. Whether it accidental or conscious, of course it has now been known for quite a while, and there is no sign of either main party leading the charge to get it changed. It thus now has become a conscious and deliberate choice.
Cone of Silence
Silence on the word corruption
The act itself is corrupt. The participants, participating in an act of corruption, are thus corrupt
“the whole business reflects very poorly on McClay, his leaders, and his party”
And New Zealand
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We are a naive lot in New Zealand in many ways. NZ used to be rated as one of the least corrupt countries in the world. Rarely would you read about a government worker being bribed back then. But the reality today, since increased immigration from Asia, is that new Kiwis bring old habits with them. Whether it’s India, China, or South East Asian countries, all have a culture of buying favour from government officials or politicians. Those in business in those countries have to align themselves with a powerful political figure to ensure red tape is cut and approval processes smoothed, even protection from the Police. To the Kiwi mindset this is clearly corruption, but is normal business practice in the East. I know this because I have lived in Asia for 15 years and seen this on many levels.
These tycoons who give political parties in NZ donations are doing it only to buy favour from that politician or party. It works like this; by giving money or gifts to the power figure, they become your patron. The patron in turn incurs an obligation to help the donor, whether it is in business or personal favours. It’s almost a feudal system where a powerful lord protects the serfs. So when Asian businessmen come to NZ, they continue this cultural patronage custom and will expect favours in return for their money. The question is, do these NZ politicians actually realise what is expected of them in return? If they do and are open to providing favours in return, then it is corruption clear and simple.
This is rot that we don’t need in New Zealand. Banning political donations from companies, corporate bodies and individuals who are not NZ citizens or permanent residents would be good start. A maximum amount per individual can donate would also be good idea.
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Agree Barry. However not sure that it is just an asian thing. Corporate entities make huge donations in the US, to both Republicans and Democrats.
And multimillionaires also donate in NZ – I remember Bob Jones saying he had donated to all the parties at some stage.
Of course anyone making these donations will expect something in return.
I suspect that without these donations, our political parties may not be able to operate as they have become accustomed to. That’s why there does not seem to be a lot of momentum revisit the current legislation int his regard.
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We cant do anything to stop it! Parliamentary democracy is pseudo democracy. Politicians are not connected to communities or represent electorates anymore. A road worker does not get access to members like lobbyists or business people or self appointed community leaders. We are not informed about what’s going on or what’s happening behind the scenes. The media this week seduced the public about the banning of cash to eliminate tradies and black economy. Not considering that its design is to make zero interest rates work and trap us in the banking system. But foreign donors get results under our system. Direct democracy has its problems but at least we have a voice and it would have passed brexit.
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Here is an almost identical event in Sydney NSW a donation of $100,000. for that the donor is seen to have bought control of the entire state of NSW
Look at the difference in the News Media reporting and the attitude.
The NZ treatment is silence. It will go away (again) in a couple of weeks. More important things to grapple with, Such as the Lunches in Schools Program which is being thrashed to death on the airwaves. How many of the hungry students have smart phones who could buy loaves of bread and jam and make their own sandwiches. Start a new course in the Home economics classes called “Sandwich Making”
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Quite agree. As a staffer of a school for 11 years there wasn’t one ‘trick in the book’ I didn’t experience from kids about food during the school day, or from their parents. Talk about much ado about nothing. Vulnerable schools already have this under control.